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	<title>Comments on: How to Spin a Story &#8212; Jay Mathews on KIPP Problems</title>
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		<title>By: Craig skip Weis</title>
		<link>http://madisonamps.org/2009/03/20/how-to-spin-a-story-jay-mathews-on-kipp-problems/#comment-6233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig skip Weis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If more money would fix school, schools would have been fixed long ago.
It&#039;s not the money that is lacking but rather too much Big Union. 
Run the schools like a for profit business. Hire and fire the employees like any business would based on performance.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If more money would fix school, schools would have been fixed long ago.<br />
It&#8217;s not the money that is lacking but rather too much Big Union.<br />
Run the schools like a for profit business. Hire and fire the employees like any business would based on performance.</p>
<p>skip.</p>
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		<title>By: Isabel Tejeda</title>
		<link>http://madisonamps.org/2009/03/20/how-to-spin-a-story-jay-mathews-on-kipp-problems/#comment-6135</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Isabel Tejeda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 04:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a former KIPP: Fresno student, I do have to admit that Mr. Tschang and Mr. Ammon were very strict. However, I do not think that the way that this article portrays them is accurate. They were not abusive. They cared deeply about each and every student. Also, of the three years that I was there, I never saw any teacher give unauthorized help to students on state testing! That is completely false. We all worked very hard to raise our scores. We were in school every weekday for TEN or ELEVEN hours and even on Saturdays. If that&#039;s not academic commitment, then I don&#039;t know what is...It&#039;s a shame that KIPP: Fresno no longer exists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former KIPP: Fresno student, I do have to admit that Mr. Tschang and Mr. Ammon were very strict. However, I do not think that the way that this article portrays them is accurate. They were not abusive. They cared deeply about each and every student. Also, of the three years that I was there, I never saw any teacher give unauthorized help to students on state testing! That is completely false. We all worked very hard to raise our scores. We were in school every weekday for TEN or ELEVEN hours and even on Saturdays. If that&#8217;s not academic commitment, then I don&#8217;t know what is&#8230;It&#8217;s a shame that KIPP: Fresno no longer exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas J. Mertz</title>
		<link>http://madisonamps.org/2009/03/20/how-to-spin-a-story-jay-mathews-on-kipp-problems/#comment-3829</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas J. Mertz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. 	Melendez

I disagree with your interpretation.  There was no personal attack, nothing was misrepresented by me.

The part I disagree most with is the idea that KIPP employees are &quot;private citizens.&#039;  They are not, they are public employees in that they are paid by taxpayer dollars and given responsibility for the education and well being of children by the state.

More generally, the well established parens patriae doctrine gives the state responsibility for the well being of all children and this includes a responsibility to investigate allegations of child abuse. 

One of the most disturbing things about this story and many charter schools is how charter organizations wish to avoid scrutiny and accountability, the scrutiny and accountability for their actions that are givens with public schools and public school employees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. 	Melendez</p>
<p>I disagree with your interpretation.  There was no personal attack, nothing was misrepresented by me.</p>
<p>The part I disagree most with is the idea that KIPP employees are &#8220;private citizens.&#8217;  They are not, they are public employees in that they are paid by taxpayer dollars and given responsibility for the education and well being of children by the state.</p>
<p>More generally, the well established parens patriae doctrine gives the state responsibility for the well being of all children and this includes a responsibility to investigate allegations of child abuse. </p>
<p>One of the most disturbing things about this story and many charter schools is how charter organizations wish to avoid scrutiny and accountability, the scrutiny and accountability for their actions that are givens with public schools and public school employees.</p>
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		<title>By: Julio Melendez</title>
		<link>http://madisonamps.org/2009/03/20/how-to-spin-a-story-jay-mathews-on-kipp-problems/#comment-3824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julio Melendez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Mertz,
I am worried that you are violating the etiquette of this blog. In particular, I believe that you have disobeyed the following rules:

- Avoid personal attacks toward all and challenges directed at specific posters.

It seems to me that repeating, without verifying, allegations the veracity of which you yourself question, allegations which are directed at particular individuals, is tantamount to making a personal attack towards those individuals. 
Furthermore, your response to the comments by Eric Jensen does nothing less than twist an honest man&#039;s words to obfuscate a valid point, flinging it back at him as a challenge. That seems to me to be a &quot;challenge directed at a specific poster&quot;.

- Respect the privacy of private citizens that do not want to be mentioned publicly.

Repeating, without verifying, allegations the veracity of which you yourself question, allegations which are directed at particular individuals, is disrespecting the privacy of those private citizens. Yes, the teachers at that school are indeed private citizens, and I would imagine that they would not want to be mentioned publicly -- especially in a way that drags their good names through the mud. Just because the Fresno Unified School District had the poor judgment to release their report to the press and the Fresno Bee had the poor judgment to publish it, does not mean that you must follow suit.

- Avoid misrepresentation of articles, research and events.

Again, as you admit that you know, in fact, no facts relating to the story you are writing about, your indiscriminate reprinting of unsubstantiated allegations is the height of irresponsibility. As Mr. Tschang told Mr. Mathews that the &quot;accusations were either false or ripped out of context&quot;, it seems highly probable that you are guilty of misrepresenting events. Indeed, as you admit in your reply to Mr. Jensen, it might be that only one allegation out of all of them is true (probably the very scary one about the principal making the students stay after school to finish their homework); were that the case, you would, by reprinting all of the untrue allegations, be guilty of misrepresenting a seriously large number of events.

Thank you,
Julio Melendez]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Mertz,<br />
I am worried that you are violating the etiquette of this blog. In particular, I believe that you have disobeyed the following rules:</p>
<p>- Avoid personal attacks toward all and challenges directed at specific posters.</p>
<p>It seems to me that repeating, without verifying, allegations the veracity of which you yourself question, allegations which are directed at particular individuals, is tantamount to making a personal attack towards those individuals.<br />
Furthermore, your response to the comments by Eric Jensen does nothing less than twist an honest man&#8217;s words to obfuscate a valid point, flinging it back at him as a challenge. That seems to me to be a &#8220;challenge directed at a specific poster&#8221;.</p>
<p>- Respect the privacy of private citizens that do not want to be mentioned publicly.</p>
<p>Repeating, without verifying, allegations the veracity of which you yourself question, allegations which are directed at particular individuals, is disrespecting the privacy of those private citizens. Yes, the teachers at that school are indeed private citizens, and I would imagine that they would not want to be mentioned publicly &#8212; especially in a way that drags their good names through the mud. Just because the Fresno Unified School District had the poor judgment to release their report to the press and the Fresno Bee had the poor judgment to publish it, does not mean that you must follow suit.</p>
<p>- Avoid misrepresentation of articles, research and events.</p>
<p>Again, as you admit that you know, in fact, no facts relating to the story you are writing about, your indiscriminate reprinting of unsubstantiated allegations is the height of irresponsibility. As Mr. Tschang told Mr. Mathews that the &#8220;accusations were either false or ripped out of context&#8221;, it seems highly probable that you are guilty of misrepresenting events. Indeed, as you admit in your reply to Mr. Jensen, it might be that only one allegation out of all of them is true (probably the very scary one about the principal making the students stay after school to finish their homework); were that the case, you would, by reprinting all of the untrue allegations, be guilty of misrepresenting a seriously large number of events.</p>
<p>Thank you,<br />
Julio Melendez</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas J. Mertz</title>
		<link>http://madisonamps.org/2009/03/20/how-to-spin-a-story-jay-mathews-on-kipp-problems/#comment-3504</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas J. Mertz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me get this straight, you weren&#039;t there when the abuse was alleged to have occurred, you don&#039;t think parents who left the school alleging abuse are a credible source (had they stayed and let their children be abused further, would that have made them credible?), you again cite test scores and ignore the report&#039;s information on lax to corrupt testing procedures and recognize that these scores are in part the product of push outs and drop outs, you ignore the mass resignations of Charter Board members (are they more disgruntled families?) and boast of high behavioral expectations for students (children) but defend the behavior of Kipp employees (adults).

The spin continues.

If only a single allegation of abuse is true, that is one too many.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight, you weren&#8217;t there when the abuse was alleged to have occurred, you don&#8217;t think parents who left the school alleging abuse are a credible source (had they stayed and let their children be abused further, would that have made them credible?), you again cite test scores and ignore the report&#8217;s information on lax to corrupt testing procedures and recognize that these scores are in part the product of push outs and drop outs, you ignore the mass resignations of Charter Board members (are they more disgruntled families?) and boast of high behavioral expectations for students (children) but defend the behavior of Kipp employees (adults).</p>
<p>The spin continues.</p>
<p>If only a single allegation of abuse is true, that is one too many.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Jensen</title>
		<link>http://madisonamps.org/2009/03/20/how-to-spin-a-story-jay-mathews-on-kipp-problems/#comment-3502</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Jensen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(this is my second draft) :-)

My name is Eric Jensen, and I currently teach Spanish at KIPP San Jose Collegiate in the South Bay Area. Last year, I worked at KIPP Fresno last year as the school&#039;s 7th grade history teacher, and personally know both Chi Tschang and Chris Ammon. While I was not witness to the alleged abuses, as the report&#039;s investigations took place before my time on staff, I can comment on the school&#039;s culture and discipline policies. Were Mr. Tschang and other teachers strict at KIPP? They were extremely strict. They expected students to always maintain perfect posture, to always maintain eye contact while listening to their teachers, and to spend every minute in school learning. Were they abusive? Absolutely not. While I did observe (and, as a teacher myself, also contributed to) students being disciplined by having to serve after school detentions, write apology letters, and clean classrooms, not once during the year did I suspect Mr. Tshang or others of any &quot;abuse&quot; as the report describes. 
    The thing many outsiders don&#039;t realize is that the investigative report largely interviewed families who had already left KIPP, either by being asked to leave or because they were dissatisfied with the school. Naturally, this will lead to a biased report. Think about it this way--imagine if an outside organization surveys customer satisfaction at a major US airline. However, instead of interviewing a random sampling of customers, they random the ten percent of customers who are least satisfied with that airline. Obviously, this subset will not be representative of the airline&#039;s true performance.
    For me the biggest pity is that so few of the district officials we dealt with during the school&#039;s closure came to our school on a typical school day. To my knowledge, not one Fresno Unified official observed Mr. Hawke&#039;s phenemonal math instruction, or any of our boys&#039; basketball games, or any of the band performances, and any of the other of the daily routines that made our school a great place for a kid to learn. Very little attention was paid to the parents and students who spoke out in support of Chi Tschang and the school in general, 97% of whom were happy with (according to a mid-year parent survey). 
   This is ultimately what I don&#039;t understand--what I don&#039;t think I will ever understand--the disconnect between this report and the reality of a generally happy, successful middle school in Southwest Fresno. I don&#039;t understand how a school with great test scores and supportive, happy families was forced to close. 
     Anyone who has experience with a KIPP school will tell you that it&#039;s not the perfect school for every student. It&#039;s true that many drop out due to the stress of the heavy homework load, challenging courses, and high behavioral expectations. Still, for students and families who are dedicated to the idea that success requires lots of hard work and dedication, it&#039;s amazing opportunity to get an excellent education, especially when excellent public schools are not an option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(this is my second draft) <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My name is Eric Jensen, and I currently teach Spanish at KIPP San Jose Collegiate in the South Bay Area. Last year, I worked at KIPP Fresno last year as the school&#8217;s 7th grade history teacher, and personally know both Chi Tschang and Chris Ammon. While I was not witness to the alleged abuses, as the report&#8217;s investigations took place before my time on staff, I can comment on the school&#8217;s culture and discipline policies. Were Mr. Tschang and other teachers strict at KIPP? They were extremely strict. They expected students to always maintain perfect posture, to always maintain eye contact while listening to their teachers, and to spend every minute in school learning. Were they abusive? Absolutely not. While I did observe (and, as a teacher myself, also contributed to) students being disciplined by having to serve after school detentions, write apology letters, and clean classrooms, not once during the year did I suspect Mr. Tshang or others of any &#8220;abuse&#8221; as the report describes.<br />
    The thing many outsiders don&#8217;t realize is that the investigative report largely interviewed families who had already left KIPP, either by being asked to leave or because they were dissatisfied with the school. Naturally, this will lead to a biased report. Think about it this way&#8211;imagine if an outside organization surveys customer satisfaction at a major US airline. However, instead of interviewing a random sampling of customers, they random the ten percent of customers who are least satisfied with that airline. Obviously, this subset will not be representative of the airline&#8217;s true performance.<br />
    For me the biggest pity is that so few of the district officials we dealt with during the school&#8217;s closure came to our school on a typical school day. To my knowledge, not one Fresno Unified official observed Mr. Hawke&#8217;s phenemonal math instruction, or any of our boys&#8217; basketball games, or any of the band performances, and any of the other of the daily routines that made our school a great place for a kid to learn. Very little attention was paid to the parents and students who spoke out in support of Chi Tschang and the school in general, 97% of whom were happy with (according to a mid-year parent survey).<br />
   This is ultimately what I don&#8217;t understand&#8211;what I don&#8217;t think I will ever understand&#8211;the disconnect between this report and the reality of a generally happy, successful middle school in Southwest Fresno. I don&#8217;t understand how a school with great test scores and supportive, happy families was forced to close.<br />
     Anyone who has experience with a KIPP school will tell you that it&#8217;s not the perfect school for every student. It&#8217;s true that many drop out due to the stress of the heavy homework load, challenging courses, and high behavioral expectations. Still, for students and families who are dedicated to the idea that success requires lots of hard work and dedication, it&#8217;s amazing opportunity to get an excellent education, especially when excellent public schools are not an option.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Jensen</title>
		<link>http://madisonamps.org/2009/03/20/how-to-spin-a-story-jay-mathews-on-kipp-problems/#comment-3501</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Jensen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I worked at KIPP Fresno last year as the school&#039;s 7th grade history teacher, and personally know both Chi Tschang and Chris Ammon. While I was not witness to the alleged abuses, as the report&#039;s investigations took place before my time on staff, I can comment on the school&#039;s culture and discipline policies. Were Mr. Tschang and other teachers strict at KIPP? They were extremely strict, and expected to give 110% every minute of the school day. While students who misbehaved were asked to stay after school, clean the school, and serve lengthy detentions, never during the entire school year did I suspect Chi or others of what is referred to as &quot;abuse&quot;. The thing many don&#039;t realize is that investigative report largely interviewed families who were already dissatisfied with KIPP, so it&#039;s not surprising that any opinions and complaints would be biased and exaggerated. It&#039;s a pity that so few of the district officials who were concerned with this abuse visited our school on a regular day, or came to one of the school&#039;s band concerts, or talked to 97% of the parents who were happy with the school before it closed. Anyone with any experience with KIPP will tell you that it&#039;s not a school for every student, but I firmly believe that it&#039;s a great way for dedicated parents and dedicated students to get an excellent education when excellent public schools are not an option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at KIPP Fresno last year as the school&#8217;s 7th grade history teacher, and personally know both Chi Tschang and Chris Ammon. While I was not witness to the alleged abuses, as the report&#8217;s investigations took place before my time on staff, I can comment on the school&#8217;s culture and discipline policies. Were Mr. Tschang and other teachers strict at KIPP? They were extremely strict, and expected to give 110% every minute of the school day. While students who misbehaved were asked to stay after school, clean the school, and serve lengthy detentions, never during the entire school year did I suspect Chi or others of what is referred to as &#8220;abuse&#8221;. The thing many don&#8217;t realize is that investigative report largely interviewed families who were already dissatisfied with KIPP, so it&#8217;s not surprising that any opinions and complaints would be biased and exaggerated. It&#8217;s a pity that so few of the district officials who were concerned with this abuse visited our school on a regular day, or came to one of the school&#8217;s band concerts, or talked to 97% of the parents who were happy with the school before it closed. Anyone with any experience with KIPP will tell you that it&#8217;s not a school for every student, but I firmly believe that it&#8217;s a great way for dedicated parents and dedicated students to get an excellent education when excellent public schools are not an option.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Grannan</title>
		<link>http://madisonamps.org/2009/03/20/how-to-spin-a-story-jay-mathews-on-kipp-problems/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caroline Grannan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello from San Francisco -- the issue I&#039;ve been following is mainly attrition at KIPP schools, but here&#039;s some info about more alleged KIPP abuse at  a school near Atlanta (linking to my blog post that includes that):

http://www.examiner.com/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2009m3d29-Tracking-down-updates-on-the-Fresno-KIPP-brouhaha-and-other-items

Here&#039;s info on attrition at the San Francisco Bay area KIPP schools:

http://www.sfschools.org/2008/09/study-local-kipp-schools-lose-60-of.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello from San Francisco &#8212; the issue I&#8217;ve been following is mainly attrition at KIPP schools, but here&#8217;s some info about more alleged KIPP abuse at  a school near Atlanta (linking to my blog post that includes that):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2009m3d29-Tracking-down-updates-on-the-Fresno-KIPP-brouhaha-and-other-items" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2009m3d29-Tracking-down-updates-on-the-Fresno-KIPP-brouhaha-and-other-items</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s info on attrition at the San Francisco Bay area KIPP schools:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfschools.org/2008/09/study-local-kipp-schools-lose-60-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfschools.org/2008/09/study-local-kipp-schools-lose-60-of.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Mathews</title>
		<link>http://madisonamps.org/2009/03/20/how-to-spin-a-story-jay-mathews-on-kipp-problems/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Mathews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I plead guilty to failing to write as much about those two stories I would have liked to. Like discord in any school, there are many sides and many interpretations. Unfortunately, writing the three columns a week that the Post pays me for takes a lot of time, and this was not one of those columns.  I was trying simply to alert readers to unusual situations in two KIPP schools that together underlined a point I thought was important---raising achievement is hard even in schools that appear to have done better at it than most schools. I don&#039;t think any reporter can do a serious story about a school without being there. That was not a serious story, but a blog post. I suspect I will have time in the next few years to investigate personally what happened at both Fresno and AMP and talk to all sides. Both stories fit with the theme of my next KIPP book, which will take me at least five years to write, on how KIPP and the other networks in the forefront of the charter school community grew, and either prospered or declined. In the meantime, I hope thoughtful commentators like Jim Horn and Thomas Mertz will find the time to visit KIPP schools and talk to the teachers there. I have found that observing first-hand what you are writing about can be very useful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I plead guilty to failing to write as much about those two stories I would have liked to. Like discord in any school, there are many sides and many interpretations. Unfortunately, writing the three columns a week that the Post pays me for takes a lot of time, and this was not one of those columns.  I was trying simply to alert readers to unusual situations in two KIPP schools that together underlined a point I thought was important&#8212;raising achievement is hard even in schools that appear to have done better at it than most schools. I don&#8217;t think any reporter can do a serious story about a school without being there. That was not a serious story, but a blog post. I suspect I will have time in the next few years to investigate personally what happened at both Fresno and AMP and talk to all sides. Both stories fit with the theme of my next KIPP book, which will take me at least five years to write, on how KIPP and the other networks in the forefront of the charter school community grew, and either prospered or declined. In the meantime, I hope thoughtful commentators like Jim Horn and Thomas Mertz will find the time to visit KIPP schools and talk to the teachers there. I have found that observing first-hand what you are writing about can be very useful.</p>
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		<title>By: NYC Educator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NYC Educator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that Matthews&#039; bias is evident.  I&#039;d also like to note that he points out two KIPP problems--one being rampant abuse and the other potential unionization---and seems to find them equally odious.

[Please note that AMPS generally requires full real names with comments, but exceptions are made for school personnel and others who have good reasons not to use real names.  This is one of those exceptions. TJM]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Matthews&#8217; bias is evident.  I&#8217;d also like to note that he points out two KIPP problems&#8211;one being rampant abuse and the other potential unionization&#8212;and seems to find them equally odious.</p>
<p>[Please note that AMPS generally requires full real names with comments, but exceptions are made for school personnel and others who have good reasons not to use real names.  This is one of those exceptions. TJM]</p>
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